Flexible transition import

support
Flexible transition import jfoe  2018-09-04 05:56
 

Dear skyline team,

I am working with peptides and I have a need for very flexible transition lists including internal fragments, loss of water etc. in different combinations.
So I am trying to use the assay library / transition list import.

Wator Loss and Amonia Loss as configurable in skyline has been very helpful.
I can't seem to make import of internal fragments work though.

I could give chemical composition etc. if needed.

Is there a way to do this?
I would also supply my own Annotations so it's fine if skyline loses track of y, b ions etc.

I use skyline 4.1.
Help would be much appreciated as skyline has some great features for interactive work!

 
 
Brendan MacLean responded:  2018-09-04 12:27

Hi Jonas,
At this point, when your fragmentation gets too complex for the current Skyline implementation, your only option is to take the entire peptide molecule to the "small molecule" support, where you have unlimited flexibility in defining your transitions, but less helpful support. This seems to have become the approach of choice for cross-linked peptides. There is even an external tool called the "Cross-link Transition Calculator" which does the necessary calculations:

https://skyline.ms/skyts/home/software/Skyline/tools/details.view?name=Cross-link Transition Calculator

It is also possible to define charged losses as special ions through the Transition Settings - Filter tab. We have provided iTRAQ and TMT ions as examples of this. If you had a relatively small number of internal fragments, you could define them through this mechanism, but it would be labor intensive and a bit of a hack.

Interesting idea, though, to allow right-click > Add Transition (as for small molecules) or a special transition list designation to allow arbitrary "small molecule" fragments within a peptide. You are the first to request this. We are wrapping up our fall release right now. This definitely won't be in it, but we will consider it for a future release. Thanks for the feedback.

So, I guess you have the two options: 1) go all small molecule, 2) define fragment ions by a chemical formula using special transitions.

Thanks again for posting this to the Skyline support board. Glad to hear you found the neutral loss support helpful.

--Brendan

 
jfoe responded:  2018-09-05 04:02

OK thanks for the response.
I think this would mostly make sense as an addition to transition list importing functionality.
Maybe a case where a column giving the chemical composition would disable the need for fragment matching.

Though I am of course ignorant further implications this would have.

Also while working on this i noticed that the "Text" column in the transition error window is impossible to expand horizontally (attached screenshot).

 
Brendan MacLean responded:  2018-09-05 12:59

Hi Jonas,
Okay, thanks for pointing out the issue the Text column. We'll look at improving that. We'll also think about enabling UI to add what we think of as "Custom Ions" to peptide precursors in a more general way than just the "Special Ions" we enabled for charged losses and isobaric tag fragments.

Thanks again for the feedback.

--Brendan